The Melanie Avalon Biohacking Podcast
The Melanie Avalon Biohacking Podcast

Episode 1 · 4 months ago

#165 - Dr. Karen Becker: The Forever Dog, Feeding Pets Real Or Raw Food, Exercise & Circadian Rhythms, Breeds & Epigenetic Triggers, Prescription Pet Food, Cancer in Pets, Pet Vaccinations, And More!



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13:50 - Dr. Karen's Personal Story

22:10 - The Vaccination Schedules For Pets

27:00 - Vaccine Antibody Titers

29:00 - Creating A Medical Team For Your Pet

30:10 - Prescription Dog Food

31:10 - Rendered Meat

33:15 - Processed Food In The Medical And Veterinarian Industries

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42:00 - The Lifespan And Healthspan Of Different Breeds

44:00 - Disease Expression And Epigenetic Triggers

46:40 - Methuselah Genes In Dogs- Long Lived Dogs

49:30 - Telomere Shortening

52:30 - Stress In Dogs

56:00 - Common Medical Problems; Physical Stress & Lack Of Exercise

58:00 - Muscle Tone Maintenance

1:00:30 - Sleeping Patterns & Circadian Rhythms

1:06:10 - Are There Diet Related Longevity Strategies For Dogs?

1:12:30 - Creating An Eating Window For Your Dog

1:14:30 - Is Fasting Right For Cats Or Sick Animals Too?

1:18:35 - Should Pets Be Keto?

1:20:45 - Reversing Cancer In Pets With Keto

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1:30:10 - Is Human Food Harmful For Pets?

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Are you ready, Let's do this. Welcome back to the Melanie Avalon Biohacking Podcast. Friends, This has been one of the most mind blowing episodes to date. My podcast editor, for example, shout out to podcast doctors. Normally they just send me back the file edited. This time, they specifically commented on how incredible this episode was even if you don't have a dog. I don't have a dog, I don't actually even want a dog. The amount of things I learned drum Dr Becker about the health of animals, the health of our pets, and how diet just affects so many things in life, as well as the many factors affecting longevity. That is all in this episode. You will walk away from this empowered for taking charge of your pets health and I cannot thank Dr Becker enough for what she is doing. These show notes for today's episode will be at Melanie Avalon dot com slash Forever Dog. The show notes will have a full transcript, so definitely check that out. 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...because I wanted to find frogs. I wanted to I would find, you know, butterflies with a broken wing and at three and four and just want obsessively trying to fix everything. And thankfully my parents honored that. So as of course, I had lots of animals and pets, all rescues growing up. But when I said to my parents at twelve, I want to work at the Humane Society, they said, well, honey, you know and iowa you have to be fourteen. I said, okay, but maybe I can volunteer. So we went to the Black Cocumete Society and my boss, Tom Colvin said, no problem. You know, she can start volunteering now, but we can't employ her till she's fourteen. So I started working at my local humane society and from there I immediately all this wild life, you know, baby bunnies and baby squirrels were being dropped off at my local humane society. And I said, Tom, you know what happens to all these animals, And he said, well, all the wildlife goes to a federally licensed wildlife rehabilitator. And I said, well, I want to be a federally licensed wildlife rehabilitator. So our local person was Linda Nebby, and so I started apprenticing under her, and I got my state license at fourteen, and my federal license at six teen, and then my endangered species license about ten years later. But I knew that I would spend my life working with animals, and because intentionally creating health was a part of my family's DNA, it made logical sense to focus on those same principles. But I didn't at that time, being so young, I didn't realize. I didn't realize the gift that my parents gave me. Intentionally thinking about creating health, it just was very natural in my family. So I went to undergrad it become a wildlife biologist. First, I thought Initially I would just potentially be able to do endanger species and wildlife only well as you can imagine, Mother Nature doesn't pay anything, and I had to put gas in my car, and I just really wanted to be a rehab wildlife rebilitation, but for injured orphaned, you know, for wildlife. Our wild animals don't have anyone caring for them. So when they become sicker, injured, mostly because of human intervention, human problems, humans poisons, human hit by car, human poaching or shooting, I just felt this overwhelming bird desire to defend them and protect them and flix them and then release them. But no one's paying for that. So wildlife rehabilitation is still my first passion and I still this is my thirty sixth year doing it. But I realized, okay, I'm gonna have to like make money or I'm gonna have to you know, find a quote job. I can't just fix wild animals my whole life. So I did go to Iowa State Vet School and be became a veterinarian. But it's so interesting because during that school, it's very logical for me, you know, we learned it. Let's just take cardiology internal medicine I learned about. I learned that the heart failure is a big issue in dogs, and so they taught us how to deal with heart failure. And as you mentioned, the number one killer of cats, three out of four cats will die of kidney disease. It's all about how to address stage one through four kidney disease. And that's awesome. I'm so glad I had that knowledge. But my burning question always I raised my hand and say, thank you for telling me what to do when cats get kidney failure? But how do we prevent cats from getting kidney failure? And not only is just this blank still like law, uncomfortable pause, followed by what or you know all of these degenerative diseases that animals weren't born with. My burning question for those four years in medical school was, but thank you for teaching me what to do when animals are sick. I don't want my patients to get sick, Like where is the proactive prevention part of my medical training? And the only, the only proactive part in my four years was something called community medicine, where of course they teach you about vaccines which prevent disease that didn't seem like enough of a preventive strategy to me. The es they did say, you know, obesity is a big issue. The six of humans in North America are AB. Pets in North America are AB, So maintain your pets weight, you know, make sure that they don't catch infectious diseases that could be managed through appropriate vaccination schedules. And then I got a little frustrated there because I'm all about animals having protective immunity, but just as humans, they're vaccines don't magically or off. Veterinary vaccines don't wear off either, So then I was raising my hand saying, wait, wait, wait, wait, you know we don't go in every year till we die for measles months rubella? Why are we giving dogs parvar December and navirus parents once electrical to liebrand talent and a rabies? Why are we doing this every year? So, as you can imagine, I was labeled kind of a rebellious student in vet school because they're like, why Becker, Why why? All the questions I said, because it seems so wildly unnecessary that we have a reactive system of medicine and people are paying to you know, they're paying good money animals is everyone knows there's not amazing insurance. There are amazing insurance programs, but insurance is not a commonplace in veterinary medicine sadly, so most people can't afford what it takes to treat their animals optimally once they're sick, because it's the same exact cost of medicine for it doesn't matter what we're treating. My extray machine was the exact same cost as my local hospitals extray machine. The differences pets don't have insurance, so you're paying out a pocket for you know, amazing medicine, and you're not being reimbursed for any of that. So it's wildly expensive to treat disease. It made logical...

...sense to me. I call what I do common sense medicine because it made such perfect sense to me to prevent disease from occurring. The problem is we're not taught how to do that INVET school. So I graduated knowing I would become a proactive veterinary, and I called myself that in veterinary school. I graduated from veterinary school, I opened the first proactive meaning intentionally focusing on preventing disease from occurring animal hospital in Chicago. Then I opened an exotic animal hospital. Then I opened a rehabilitation center. I just wanted to provide my clients the opportunity to recognize that we don't have to wait for the body to break. We can actually make better decisions before the body breaks to prevent that heartbreak down the road. And so that is what I did. And little did I know that it seems like literally common sense medicine is what I call it. And you're spot on with the book. You read it and you're like, yes, of course, yes, of course, yes, of course. If we carbload our animals and all we feed them as starch and sugar, it of course feeds into the diabetic epidemic and pets. Yes, it feeds obesity. Of course, it feeds cancer. Yes, it makes sense that my my dog is wildly itchy from all the yeasts that I'm feeding with that sugar. All those pieces fall into place. And yet, because we weren't taught this in veterinary school, the vast majority of veterinarians don't practice medicine like I do. So I have just felt quite compelled to in every possible platform, whoever will listen. I will do everything I can to get the word out there that we don't have to be victims of reactive medicine. But what it means is that pet owners, pet parents, pet guardians, they have to become so knowledgeable and empowered because they have to be their pets advocate. They're beautiful veterinarians. It's not that your vet doesn't know or doesn't care, is trying to get money out of you. Your vet was not taught how to prevent disease from occurring. So I'm like, well, if this is until I can switch the medical paradigm, which is going to be dark hard, I will start by making every pet owner I can find around the world so empowered with information that they will make better decisions without having to change the medical system. So that's what I did. Okay, I think listeners can now see why I'm obsessed with everything that you're doing. So I'm super curious, why are we giving vaccines every year? What did they say when you ask that? Because that's what the research they said, because it's obviously expensive. Research is super expensive, really expensive. So what they said is when they were trialing all of these vaccines, I can't give you the exact number when the research was done. Their research on how long vaccines last was I believe done between the forties, fifties and maybe early sixties for dogs and cats. Basically, they're keeping hundreds of dogs in a in a laboratory stutting year after year, housing them and feeding them, and then measuring their vaccine and a body tighters on an annual basis to find out if these dogs are still protected. They also did live viral challenge, which means they exposed these dogs to parvo in distemper year after year to see how many dogs got sick, because by default, then you would be able to determine okay, the vaccine quit working here. Well, they did this test for one year. You know, they held these animals, they exposed them to parvo in distemper. No dogs got sick. So what they said was, Okay, it's too expensive to keep going. We will market the vaccines to be given annually. And so it was based off of the fact that it was it's really expensive to house dogs their whole life. An entire lifetime study would be millions of dollars. So what they said was, we know what one year animals are protected. We'll just go in every year and recommend annual boosters. WHOA. So they didn't even test beyond that, like at the two year mark. So then people asked for a three year rabies so they did do a rabies challenge. They some vaccines, some rabies vaccines are now approved for every three years, and that's wonderful. But what the REES search shows independent, specifically Dr Geane Dad's and Dr Ron Schultz out of University of Wisconsin Madison Bed School, they did longer privately funded research to determine how long let's say, parbo in distemper lasts. And we know that these modified live vaccines last years and years and years and years, seven to nine years on average past one puppy vaccine. So you know when you think about okay, well, then what would be Dr Becker's approach for this, Well, my approach would be, of course, we want our animals protected against disease. We know that we give two pound chihuahua the exact same dose as the two pound massiff. They all get the same vaccine. We want every dog in the world to be protected against these infectious diseases, but we don't want to make them taxic or create an autoimmune reaction from over vaccination. So my common sense approach to everyone listening is, if you have at least one core vaccine in your dog,... can ask your veterinarian to do a vaccine antibody tighter, quick, easy, simple blood draw and they will be able to tell you yes, your dogs protected or no they're not. And that's just one easy way to make sure that if you go hike it in the woods, your dogs eating you know, other dog poop or fox poop or accoon poop in the woods. It's important that we know our our animals are protected. But that's a big difference. Being protected is totally different than over vaccinating to the point that we're creating immunity issues in our animals, autoimmunity issues. So that's just one kind of common sense thing to hear that you're like, Okay, that makes total sense. Why didn't my vet tell me? Because vets weren't taught this in that school. We were taught to offer you annual vaccine. Some veterinarians now are recommending every three years, and that's definitely an improvement with the number of unnecessary vaccines that pets are given. But by asking for a vaccine tighter, you can assure yourself that your pets protected and minimize any risk of additional vaccines beyond what their immune system can handle. So I'm not for raising prices on things, obviously, But now I'm just brainstorming, and I almost wish that they would like temporarily make the vaccine tighter more expensive and beneficial to the pharmaceutical industry, and then make it so that you get that first before the vaccine, and then slowly lean out the vaccines because we would realize we wouldn't need them as much, and then people would get does that make sense? And people will get less of the vaccine tighters. It's like a system change. Yeah, you know, it's it's so hard to know how to navigate this because veterinarian. Now, you know, I graduated years ago. Now kids in VET school are taught that tighters are an option, which is fantastic. I was not taught that in vet school. But here's what's so interesting. To be a veterinarian. You have to be vaccinated for rabies because the potentials there. While I was vaccinated for rabies and I was fourteen, because I'm a wild bife free abalitator. So I was already vaccinated when I went to that school, Like the second day, you're standing the line, They're like, okay, everyone's gotta get vaccinated. So I raised my hand and said I was vaccinated, you know, like years and years and years ago. They said, okay, you know what, We're going to tighter you, I said, of course, because they didn't want the liability of making me sick from too much vaccine. So so we tighter veterinarians tighter themselves every year for to monitor our our rabies, vaccine levels, and our bodies. But we don't extend that same courtesy to dogs, and no one kind of asks about that. So it is an interesting It is an interesting thing to address. Here's how I pitched it to to my clients. My clients are like, listen, tighters are so expensive. A vaccine is basically a buck to buy. You know, we charged thirty five bucks whatever, but tighters are fifty bucks, so it's a whole lot more expensive. But what I said to my clients is I understand that it's way more expensive to do a blood draw and measure the levels of vaccines in your pets. However, if your dog or cat is low, I will boost them for free. So because you know everyone's statement is as well. But but what if my dog or cat needs it? I'm like, I am so confident that they don't that I will boost your pet for free. And dno, and my twenty years of owning my own animal hospital, I shouldn't say never. I think I did to free vaccines and twenty years. That's the thousands and thousands and thousands of animals are protected for life, so on occasion they're not. And that's why tightering is important. But it kind of goes to show you that sometimes some of these medical protocols are put into place and then literally not revisited. And so I love that you asked, so why is that? Because if more pet parents are asking, hey, we don't vaccinate, I mean we've actually had our kids still twenty one and then we stop in theory, but we don't. We don't keep going. No, none of us are taking our eight year old grandparents in for a for a rubella, you know, for a measles mumps vaccine. Why why are we doing that to our fourteen year old cats? And why are we doing that to our sixteen year old dogs. It's a good conversation piece if your veterinarian is open to learning and is a perpetual student. If you're veterinarian is closed minded and has this attitude I I'm the doctor and you are the client, and I know what's best, then sometimes it can be a frustration. But I do encourage my clients to think about the fact that your general practitioner, your blessed beautiful veterinarian. You need to think of it a little bit like your GP. You know, you may have a doctor you go to, but you also have a massage therapist and nutritionist, a chiropractor. You have other people on your health care team, and so you may end up for your dog or cat. Yeah, you have your look of at who you love and who your family has gone to for two decades. That's awesome, But you may end up also acquiring an integrative veterinarian or a functional medicine veterinarian, or a holistic veterinarian to provide some of these services that maybe your GP doesn't know about, can't do, won't do whatever. But you end up a LA carding services for your pets a little bit like yeah'll like heart medical services for your kids...

...these days something similar related talking about things that are just surprising, like I didn't realize prescription dog food, for example, is I would you like to talk about prescription dog food? I mean, I always thought it was like really this special like medical thing, but it seems like it's more about endorsements. So prescript that whole term quote prescription diets actually is owned by Hill Science Diets, so I have to call it therapeutic diets, which means if well, if we say quote prescription diets, they literally owned Hill's Hills pet Food owns that term. And what they decided was so years ago when actually Dr Mark Morris, who was a wonderful veterinarian and his own dog went into kidney failure, when he decided, oh my gosh, my my blessed beautiful dogs and kidney failure, maybe I should feed a different food. So at that time they were using a percent rendered meats. Rendered means it's kind of a gross and disgusting term or not. Can spend a lot of time on it, but basically everything when when animals go to slaughter, they are inspected by a us DA meat inspector and everything that passes, goes into the human food chain, and everything that fails goes into pet food, and we call it feeds. So there's either feed grade meat or there's which goes to to the livestock industry poultry, dogs and cats, sheep, horses, or it's food grade, which means it gets into the human food supply. As you can imagine, those are two different standards. So if God forbid, cow comes into slaughter and there's a big old abscess on that cow's thigh, that quarter gets condemned and goes into pet food, and then the rest of the healthy meat goes into the human food chain. Well, Mark Morris knew this, and he knew that pet foods were constituted with what we call feed grade materials, So everything that fails human food inspection goes into pet food. And he thought, you know, maybe if I fed less protein to my dog and kidney failure, maybe my dog would live longer. So and my response to that, well, yeah, if you're feeding abscesses and tumors and hoofs and snouts, if that's your source of protein, terrible, horrible, non digestible, poorly bioavailable protein, you're probably wise to reduce the amount of really difficult protein to feed and feed better quality, human grade, lean, excellent, bioavailable protein. But what he did is he just cut the crappy protein in half, and his dog did have a longer than expected lifespan. So that's how prescription diets came about. Here's the kicker. There's no actual prescription medication in the food. The reason they're called prescription is they're only sold through the veterinary channel, which means you can only get them through your veterinarian. There's no specific neutraceuticals or herbs or supplements or drugs that are in prescription diets. It's that you have to go to your veterinarian to get them. Now, prescription diets absolutely have a little bit more research behind them than plain old quote unquote dog food or cat food. More research meaning they have done additional nutritional studies to determine animals dealing with that medical condition may have some benefit. But here's my ethical frustration with prescription diets. They're still ultra processed, feed grade, highly rendered, poor quality food. So it's a little bit like how our human hospitals are still feeding cancer patients jello and ice cream and that comes from the hospital nutritionists. That is saying, okay, you know, if you just get done with whatever horrible cancer surgery or chemo, here's you know, here's some quick sugar to you know too. It's good, it's yummy. You know, we're going to reward you with some ice cream. The problem is the foods that we're feeding to sick patients, either two or four legged, coming out of the traditional medical system, are not nourishing our bodies in a way that allow for a functional healing response, which means, if you are sick, you're already dealing with degenerative disease. You're already sliding down the hill. So what we need to do is rapidly and quickly provide instant, species appropriate, highly bioavailable proteins, healthy fats, antioccidents, all of the substances necessary to create a healing response in the body. But that's not what we do in human medicine, and sadly, it's not what we do in veterinary medicine. So my big frustration with with prescription diets is there's still the same ultra process fast food that the regular pet food is, so it's not so much a step up in terms of quality, it's a pivot to a different type of ultra process food. And I would say, if you are on a quote prescription diet or therapeutic diet, the concept of switching foods when your animal is struggling physiologically is a really good idea. But you need to be cognizant of what quality and biologically appropriateness that food is that you're switching to. And that's the conversation that has not taken plate place yet that I'm...

...trying to get started, which I am so thrilled about. And yeah, ever since I read that in the book, when I go over to my parents, they have cats still, and I see the quote prescription cat food, and I'm just like, oh, oh goodness, this is not maybe not what we're thinking. So stepping back a little bit and looking at the relationship between humans and our pets, I'm super curious. So with dogs, for example, you talk about in the book we even have a phrase sick as a dog. I'm super curious. Do you know when that phrase originated? And the reason I'm asking is because we've been having and you talk about in the book the history of dogs as companions, which is pretty mind blowing. But at what point in time and our entire history with dogs did we start feeding them this processed food. Is that when we started seeing all of these diseases in them? And how did it affect their longevity? So humans and dogs co evolved together, which and you know that's the exact timelines actually very debatable. So some scientists will say thirty thousand years ago that that is when humans specifically so Canus lupus the gray wolf, at some point thirty to twenty to fifty thousand years ago thirty five thousand is the going average consensus. Canas Lupus morphed into Canas Lupus familiaris the domestic dog. And during that time, here's what the vast majority of scientists agree on. That humans recognize that dogs were I'm not going to say cool, but dogs are beneficial. You could hunt better, They provided protection if you were you know, if you were a shepherd, having a dog around was good at helping to protect your live stock. But they also developed relationships with dogs, just as we have, and they I'm sure that they were like, you know, these dogs are pretty cool. They started sharing food with dogs, and that's really partly how dogs became domesticated as dogs first with scavenging garbage from human garbage dumps thousands and thousands of years ago. Dogs are scavenging carnivores, and so they will eat, you know, carry on dead animals. They'll eat, they'll eat rotten things, they'll eat a dead rabbit, they'll eat the whole literate baby bonnies that they can find it. But dogs are really good at collecting foods from their environment and making do on a whole variety of pretty impressive and diversified foods, including scavenging from human dumps. Because dogs then diversified their diet eating leftover human food. When the agricultural era hit and as humans recognized that they could cook food, and that they could grow food, and they could cultivate corn and wheat and rice, of course they started sharing corn, wheat and rice with their dogs, or they're at that point. I don't think that they were at all pets. I think that people realize this animal that hangs out side of my hut is helpful to me, will provide some protection, and is really good at scaring off other predators. I like him. I'm going to feed him. So humans just shared their food with the semi domesticated dogs in their environment. And out of that as dogs, you know, made their way from outside the hut to outside the barn to maybe you know farmer Joe two dred years ago, Mrs Mrs Farmer recognized the dogs pretty cool. Mrs Farmer would throw all the scraps outside, let the dog eat that. Then a snowstormer come and Mrs Farmer said, you know what, it's really cold. Let's bring the dog into the front room. And then Mrs Farmer said, hey, let's let's bring the dog into the living room. And in the last two hundred years, dogs and cats have made their way into the bedroom they we sleep. Half the people are on the world sleep with their pets. That's how much they are a part of our families. Now, out of that, we tend to our own health and well being principles tend to be bestowed on our kids, both to legged and four legged. So if we come from healthy homes, we tend to nourish our kids too and four legged healthfully. If we believe in fresh, whole living foods for our kids, you know, if we're gonna if we're gonna give our kids carrots, and salary and maybe you know some carrots or some apple with some raisins and peanut butter. Those are healthier choices than you know, cookies and crackers, and some moms and dads know that, and that's the avenue they go. They also tend to be health conscious about their pets. They recognize, hey, my animal probably shouldn't be eating an entirely all dead, overprocessed diet from the time they're born to the time they die. That seems like a ton of processed foods. Maybe I should incorporate some different foods and some living foods so healthy homes develop healthy eating habits, and that tends to trickle down to dogs and cats. However, you know the end of the story. In the last two years, our grocery stores haven't grown their fresh produce section. It's the middle ire aisles. It's the ultra processed snack foods that have taken off so out of humans. Because we are now making foods...

...that taste amazing, that have very poor nutrient profiles, but they taste amazing, they're actually addictive. We're over consuming calories, but we are under consuming nutrients. And what has happened is pets have followed suit. We are overnourishing. Many dogs and cats have weight issues, and yet they still don't hold those critical They don't have enough critical Omega three fatty acids in their foods to maintain healthy skin or healthy brain function. They are not even though they're eating a lot of food, They're not being cellularly nourished in a way that allows them to prevent disease in their bodies, just like humans. Hi friends, One of the most valuable things that I do every single night of my life is my infrared sauna session. The brand that I use is sunlight In. I did a lot of research on infrared saunas before deciding on them. Their saunas are so high quality. They're low e m F and what I really love is they have a solo unit. That's what I have, and it's really great if you live in a small apartment, might be moving. It's just really an amazing investment and they have incredible deals and offers on it. Right now, you can actually get up to two hundred dollars off with the code Melanie Avalon or if you're talking to a rep, just tell them that I sent you and like I said, that will be up to two hundred dollars off, and that will also get you ninety nine dollars shipping. Normally the shipping it's like six hundred dollars, so that's a really really big deal. And if you do purchase a sauna, forward your proof of purchase to podcast at Melanie Avalon dot com and I will also send you a signed copy of my book What Win Wine. If you'd like to learn more about the science of sauna. Two resources, I interviewed the founder of sun Lighten, Connie Zach. I'll put a link to that in the show notes. And I also recently did an epic blog post all about the science of sauna. Will also put that in the show notes. All right, now back to the show. So, I guess we can distinguish between lifespan and health band, So you know, the actual number of years that they live would be lifespan, and then health span would be the vitality of those years and the prevent city towards disease. When it comes to the different breeds of dogs, are all dogs across the board being affected equally? Are some breeds more resilient genetically to these issues? And I'm guessing if so that would just be by chance, because I don't think we haven't like bread a dog for longevity or health, right, Yeah, sadly no, In fact, just the opposite. Humans have created a lot of different dog breeds, and we created working breeds to help us work easier and better, and you know, we created different breeds that serve us in different ways. But we've also created you know, dogs with blue eyes and dogs with no hair, and smaller, teeny tiny dogs because we wanted lapdogs. We created a bunch of different breeds. Over four hundred breeds worldwide now exist. The problem is, this is back before DNA testing happened, so people for the last five years when we were creating, especially during the Victorian area, when we're creating a lot of different, really you know, exotic looking breeds, we were breeding brother and sister and mother and son and dad and daughter over and over and over, and everyone knows what happens. So, yes, we damaged the dogs gene pool genetically several hundred years ago. And we know that now because we can do genetic testing, and we're like, oh my gosh, we've done so much damage, right, We've done so much damage. So some breeds are more genetically damaged than others. Absolutely, and the more popular up breed is typically the more damage that has been done because we've inbred those dogs. Before we knew any better, we inbred them and that created a weaker, more narrow less robust gene pool and in turn genetics and in turn health span and lifespan. So genetics absolutely plays into it. And in fact, the epidemiologists and the epigenetic experts that we talked to, they estimated that inbreeding accounts for about ten percent of disease expression. But they were very quick to say that epigenetic triggers, which are those environmental influences that speak to our dogs and cats DNA positively and negatively, those triggers account for diseases we're seeing in dogs and cats. So that's obesity, sedentary lifestyle, pollution, exposure, pesticiding, chemical load both inside the home outside the home like keeping you know your yard, dandelion free comes at a lymphomacost to dogs, but also we put chemicals directly on pets. We put flea and tic pesticides on them every month, many people do. It also includes heavy metal exposure. It also includes those nutrient deficiencies that we've touched on. So, yeah, genetics accounts for up to even in some brings of a shortened health span and lifespan. However, I was really inspired when I interviewed some of these top long gevity experts from around...

...the world. What they said was is, even though you have a dog or cat that may have genetic damage, it doesn't mean that they're going to express that genetic predisposition. We have the ability to up and down regulate. Yeah, those bad genes are lurking in there, but we have the ability to up or down regulate the expression of that by how are the environment that's surrounding our dogs DNA that's those epigenetic factors. So part of the reason I was so passionate about writing this book is, yeah, some of our pets have got the short end of the stick genetically, but that doesn't mean it's a death sentence, and it doesn't mean that we shouldn't as guardians do everything we can to downregulate epigenetic expression of you know, maybe some quote bad genes that we can tell from our DNA tests are looking in our pets. I do love doing DNA tests for dogs because it says, Okay, I just I rescued a dog a couple of years ago. The first thing I did was DNA tests. He's got the DNA for progressive retina atrophy, which is basically where he you know, he could go blind, and he's got both. He's got a both his mom and dad gave him the potential to go blind. And I rescued him at fourteen, rescued him a twelve, and now he's fourteen. I'm so empowered by that. I didn't get freaked out that homework could go blind. I was like, oh, I'm so glad that technology affords me the opportunity to figure out he's got these he's got the DNA for retinal degeneration. I'm going to fortify his retinas like crazy, and that's what I did. So I do love the fact that modern technology allows us to help fill in some of those epigenetic gaps so that our pets don't have to necessarily express all of that dysfunctional DNA that's in them. So I'm really good friends with James Clement, who wrote a book called The Switch, and he did this massive supercentenarian study where he studied the blood work of centenarians, and basically what they found was in general, for quote normal people, that there's you know, these certain bio markers and factors that effect longevity. By the super centenarians, it seems that they are just they just have these genes that make it so that they're resilient to all of the onslaught of environmental and genetic factors that other people are susceptible to. You do you know if that occurs on dogs? Like? Are there some dogs like that? Such an awesome question. So we visited and Nico Kublini, she and her team out of Hungary, out of Buddhist specifically focused on looking at identifying what she calls methuselah jeans and dogs. So these this set of DNA or snips, single nucleotide polymorphisms, these genetic variants, and that was kind of like why we chased down a Nico and her team where hey, is are do some of these really exceptionally long lived dog? You know, we met a dog out of Australia and Meggie who's thirty years old. I'm like, hey, listen, what's the likelihood of this dog just you know, having great jenes versus his mom or dad doing something intentional and and Nico and her team did find that, in fact, there are a set of methuselah jeans in dogs that affords them that same genetic benefit of blue zone people, where yes, their lifestyle and their diet play into their exceptionally long lived life, but also they just play and have good genes, and they have longevity genes with certuans that allow them to live an exceptionally long time and potentially take a little bit more environmental abuse. What I tell my clients is, listen, let's not let's not use the potential that your dog. I have some you know, I see some eighteen year old, nineteen year old dogs are like, look how good my dog is doing. Do I have to cut out the milkbones? Do I have to cut out you know, some of these things that they really really like. And my statement is is rather than testing for methuselah jeans, let's just do what we can. Yeah, your dog maybe one of these super long lived dogs genetically, but let's not environmentally abuse your dog, nutritionally abuse your dog. Let's do everything we can too, because if they don't have those methusela jeans, your dogs are regular old genetic hot mess like mine. Let's do everything we can to minimize the likelihood of your dog having bad things happen the second half of their life. The same metabolic cliff happens and dogs. We know that happens in people, where you get up there and your your telomeres get a little shorter and blunted. And Eliza Apple, who won the Nobel Prize, talked to us about that how telemera blunting and shorting, shortening of telomeres absolutely happens in dogs. And in fact, you know their mitochondria don't recycle as well, senensas cells start to become a problem. There's this whole slowing down metabolically, physiologically, siularly in dogs. So when they look amazing because they look at how active and crazy my ten year old dog is that they're amazing, and they are, but there are still changes happening biochemically and silarly. That now is the time to make your...

...ten year old vibrantly, externally appearing healthy dog. Let's now work on the internal styl or terrain so that you are not flipping heartbroken in four years. If your dog breaks with some horrible condition. And that's the other thing that can be hard when you see an animal who innately I mean, dogs are amazing for so many reasons, but my gosh, I mean, they love us no matter what, Like we can just go get the mail and we come back from getting the mail and they're like, hello, it's been forty seconds. I love you so much. Hello, Hello, Hello, And they're just genuine. I mean, dogs love us in a way that no human ever can. They love us unconditionally, and that makes a part in our heart where animals fill avoid in the human soul that nothing else in the world can. And because of that, they tend to also live every day to the best. I mean, they're just in the moment. They remind us to live in the moment. But sometimes dogs and cats do such a good job of saying no, I'm doing fine, I'm doing fine, that we miss of very subtle clues and symptoms that their bodies give us that things may not be as amazing on the inside as they were last year or the year before or the year before. So if you have a dog or cat righting that now, that is flipping thriving. The biggest aggravation you could ever say to my face is I'm gonna I'm gonna do all Dr Becker's recommendations. The second I see any kind of wobbling, the second my cat's blood work starts to go wonky, I'm gonna address it. The second my dog starts to have a symptom, I'm gonna address it. That's cool. The body gives us symptoms as like an S O S sign. So of course, if your dog or cat has any symptoms, that's their body crying out to you. Fix me. Yes, of course, address it. But I want to encourage listeners that if your dog or cat is midlife and they don't have any symptoms, consider yourself wildly blessed. But also recognize the clock is ticking and your dog cat has a finite You have a finite amount of time to work on their internal terrain before something is going to happen. And rather than live with regret when the shoe falls and you're like, damn it, damn it, damn it. I was going to switch my dogs diet three years ago, but I kept getting fifty off coupons from my local feed store and I just couldn't turn it down. Damn it, I wish I would have done it. Do it now so that you can save yourself the heartbreak of not having regret later. I could not agree more. And now I'm super curious because I was thinking about the parallels between different factors that would affect epigenetics between both dogs and humans, so diet of course being one, sleep, stress levels. But now I'm thinking with the stress, do you think you talk about a lot of the things that affect dog stress levels and how they're increasingly up with noise pollution and you know, living in these indoor environments and stuff like that, But do you think there's something to that mindset of the dog like you just mentioned, with how they're you know, can be so I guess just happy. Do you think that's counteracting at all some of the onslaught? I do? I do? In fact, it's so interesting a new new research just about two years old, they've identified that actually dogs can be pessimistic. It's it's much rarer to have a pessimistic dog than a negative, depressed, pestimistic human humans. Obviously, pessimism depression is epidemic right now, but they've identified that there are dogs that have pessimistic personality traits and Interestingly, they don't and they live comes long. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah interesting. But the other interesting thing is that that whole concept of stress we have to remember on the human side, we tend to kind of get tunnel vision and think of stress as like the emotional mental part of it. And yes, dogs live with dogs have just as much anxiety as humans. In fact, there again anxieties epidemic and dog which results in behavior problems. The number one reason dogs are dumped at pounds is quote, behavior problems. Now half of that. Humans are crappy trainers. They're bad with boundaries. They don't they're not consistent, they tend to be heavy handed. They don't. They don't know how to necessarily interact in a positive, kind, trustworthy way that builds a safe you know to your dogs feel safe and they can rely on consistent behaviors out of you every time. Humans aren't necessarily born knowing how to be a dog trainer. The problem is if you own a dog, you are, by fault a dog trainer. And we tend to parent our dogs like we ourselves or paritents. So if you are whacked around when you did something bad, you tend to whack your dog that unfortunately creates a lot of psychotic, messed up, neurotic dogs because we're not communicating with them in a way that they understand or that they feel safe, or that they can recognize enough to change their behavior. There are very few truly bad dogs in the world, and those bad dogs that are out there were created by very bad people. There are a lot of wildly confused dogs that end up having behaved quote behavior problems that are dumped at shelters, and now those...

...are all directly the result if bad not bad humans, untrained, uneducated humans that realize, gosh, I think I want a dog, but they didn't know what they were getting into. They didn't plan accordingly, they didn't set aside the time they need to make their dog their best friend. And just as any relationship, you've got to work on your relationship with your dog or cat every day, just like you do with your husband or your best friend or your mom or anyone else around you. It is daily work to maintain that relationship. And people don't understand that. They think it's like a house plant that you water and feed your dog every day, and then your dog's gonna be super cool and all's well. It doesn't work like that. So what ends up happening is that when we think about stress, Yeah, having a dog in a crate for ten hours while you're working, is that stressful for your dog? Totally? It's like locking your four year old toddler in a in a closet for all day. They're gonna be a little rowdy when you let them out. You have to manage that. But in addition to mental emotional stress, Melanie, there's also chemical stress and there's physical stress. Right. Dogs tear their a c l s, they blow discs, They tend to be overweighting out of shape. Their tendons, muscles and ligaments are not resilient, their structure, their frames are not maintained. Humans tend to weaken warrior their dogs where you know, they say, hey, we're gonna walk around the block as your exercise. People forget that dogs are wired as first class athletes, even those tiny little Yorkies. They are meant to put every joint of their body through its natural range of motion at least once a day. And all their research was very clear that two hours is optimal, but an hour is like the minimum and of everyone's in the podcast listening right now, it's gonna block and say, are you flipping kidding me? Who has an hour to exercise their dog? Come on, Dr Becker, come on, come on. And I'm just the messenger. So what I will say is that if we know that an hour of heart thumping, rigorous, muscle building, cardiovascular lymphatic draining behave, you're quelling anxiety, smashing exercise or what dogs need every day, and the average dog is getting a twenty minute walk around the block, we are failing our dogs at managing emotional stress, physical stress, mental stress. And unless you're unless you're really into green living and you understand the chemical load in your air, water, soil in your home, we're failing them with the chemical stressors too. So I don't want to be Debbie Downer and be like, oh my gosh, I suck as a pet owner, and people that are listening to this and like, listen, I'm feeling a little overwhelmed and I feel like a super crapy pet parent. I'm not. I'm not trying to tell you this stuff to make you feel bad. I'm trying to tell you so that you have time to pivot and make better choices. I never thought about this before. But we know muscle is so important in humans for longevity, but dogs don't, Like they don't pick up things or lift things. Do their muscles function differently than humans that they maintain it without needing like weight bearing exercise. No, No, they're just like people. In fact, all mammals, all mammals need to maintain their muscle tone, normal neurologic reflexes, and skeletal density strength, along with tendon and muscle and tendant and ligament resiliency. That's all done. Gosh, I wish there was a pill to take, wouldn't that be lovely? But there isn't, And I wish I could say we can sleep and maintain killer muscle tone, which not just impruse metabolic health, but actually plays into our immune system and all the psych in psychiatric well being. All those same things are true for dogs. The problem is dogs are just as under exercised as their mom and dad. So because dogs live and die in a shorter time frame, the effects of lack of exercise are visible much earlier. And what do I mean by that? The number one injury we see in dogs are torn knee ligaments. And it's not that these dogs are hit by car. That makes sense that you would tear your your a c L in you know, your interior cruciate ligament. In dogs, we call it a C c L cranial cruciate ligament. It makes sense totally if your dog has trauma, physical trauma like God forbid, jumped off the back of it, you fell down the stairs, hit by car, fell off something. Okay, they may tear their they may tear their ligaments. But actually, Melanie, the number one reason dogs tear their a c L s is non traumatic induced lifestyle degenerations. So the tenants and ligaments become thin, they start to fray, they are not being nourished appropriately, and then spontaneous tendon ligament tears happen. So people like, listen, I'm so confused. My dog hopped up on the couch and tore their a c L. No, well, yes, my friend, your dog did hop up on the couch and tear their a c L. But you should be asked, how on earth of my... is wired as an athlete, how on earth would they be tearing their a c I'll hopping up on the couch, Well, that's some maintenance issues prior to that acute event happening. So the exact same exercise rules and requirements play into dogs as they do for people. I wish I could say, yes, they sleep and maintain amazing b m I. It doesn't work that way for dogs either, and sadly there's no magic pill drafts drafts well. I was fascinating to learn that they sleep very differently than us as far as like the cycles and these things called sleep spindles. Is sleep maybe the one factor that hasn't changed quite as much because dogs kind of sleep when they want to or has modern lifestyle also really affected that dogs do sleep Dogs, when you're at work all day, your dog is absolutely just snoozing around. And many of you guys have nanny cams on. You know your dogs are cats. It's kind of fun to watch dogs just hang out, you know, when there's a reason. If there's if the mailman comes the up, if there's something cool at a window or a door, they're up. But otherwise docs are hanging out. Where humans and modern lifestyles have dramatically impacted dogs is when it comes to their circadian rhythm. What do I mean by that humans tend to stay up late? We tend to have the TV on. We have a lot of lights on flashing. A lot of humans fall asleep with the TV on, or they fall asleep with a radio. They fall asleep with noise and light still in their homes, and people think, well, what doesn't matter. So that is where satch In Panda from the Sock Institute was very clear when I interviewed him at the Stuck Institute. He said to me, part of the reason that so many researchers are using dogs as their clinical models not mice, is because dogs and humans, because they have co evolved, and because they live the same lifestyle, and because dogs are literally living a mirrored lifestyle to what their owners are. Dogs are really good setnels and research subjects for not just circadian rhythm, for cancer, studies for obesity, models for metabolic syndrome, models for type two diabetes. Dogs are really amazing test subjects because they're so similar to the human model. And what he said is that dogs circadian rhythms are so jacked in the last hundred years because we have lights that we leave on all night. Dogs never actually get to sleep in the dark. They never get to sleep with all the lights turned off. They never get to potentially be not without WiFi. Dr Sachon Panda was the one that said to me, you know five g and animals are well aware of WiFi singles. And he is not a tinfoil hat wearing weirdos. So we're not talking you know, we're not talking about you know, you don't have to do a Faraday cage for your dog. But but what he was saying is is that animals are sensitized to things in the environment that humans are oblivious about. And he said then in addition to dogs needing melatonin to go to sleep, which means they have to be outside when the sun is setting, that the setting orange sun, as you know, and that's one of the tips in the book. We say, hey, do a quick outside snafari. Let your dog sniff in whizz for just a few minutes at night when the sun is setting, because it tells their back of their retina, their optic nerve, which sends a message to their brain that says, hey, you should start making some melatonin. The sun's going down, We're going to go to sleep, and that signals to the body time to sleep. What sec cham Pandasa was super interesting. He said, Karen do you know how many people in North America don't open their blinds in the morning. The vast majority of people go to work and their whole house is their shades are closed, the blinds are closed. Their dog has no idea if it's middle of if it's the middle of the morning, is it middle of the night? Is at noontime? He said, Every pet owner in the world should be opening their blinds every morning and allowing as much natural sunlight into their house, not just because it gives your dogs and cats something to look at during the day, but because your dog needs that bright morning light to shine into the back of his eye to trigger melan NOPs in production. How on earth is your dog that I know to wake up and to you know what time it is. Their circadian rhythms are completely jack because humans signal from their lifestyle radio, television, TV lighting that their nighttime is a dog's day, and a dog's day is their night and that long term, as your listeners know, play into health span. If a circadian rhythm is disrupted long enough, the end result is that you can have physical issues come about. But that that goes back to humans beginning to think about living in their home from the perspective of their dog. And although a lot of people like, you've gotta be kidding me. You know, I don't want to switch all this stuff up because of my dog. You know, I was a little nervous when we wrote this book that I would get more pushback from people saying,...

Okay, Becker, you're like completely dog neurotic, Like I'm not that crazy about dogs. I get it, you're a vet. But I'm so happy, Melanie. The what's so cool is that health has traveled up the leash. People that would never otherwise maybe get out and walk two to three times and eight because they were walking, let's say once a day before we're on the block. They're like, you know what, I gotta wake up my dog's melanopsin reception receptors. I'm going to take them out before work. I'm gonna get a thirty minute walking before work, and then maybe I come over for lunch. I'm gonna get a quick fifteen minutes snaffarian for my dog's mental you know, cognition, let him sniff and whizz or however they want. And then at night, I'm gonna do forty minutes of cardio a thirty minute cool down and then we're gonna you know, place them maybe ball or tug in the backyard as the sun setting, and they rearrange their dogs, not just exercise patterns, but they open up the blinds in the morning. They rearrange their life because they realize now their dog is going to be healthier. But as a result, Melanie, they are also healthier, which is just a cool effect that I didn't know what's going to happen. It's amazing. It goes both ways. Speaking of Saturn, pandam I'm glad you brought him up. So he does a lot of work with time restricted eating and intermitted fasting. And you're mentioning earlier we're talking about longevity jeans and sartouons and things like that. So is there a parallel between dietary approaches that seemed to enhance longevity and humans. So calorie restriction, low protein diets, fasting, some of those, all of those, how do they affect dogs? They affect dogs profoundly because dogs are scavenging carnivores, you know, dogs, dogs are by nature. When I we're talking dog dogs, dogs these days are well loved in the house. And we opened up the covered, pour a couple of dry food in their dish whatever, twice a day and call it a day. But dogs evolutionary history, which means what dogs meant to do, you know, what they did before humans, you know, kept them kind of captive in their home was dogs would eat when they are hungry, and they would hunt when they were hungry. What what's happening now is humans get up and we forget that dogs are scavenging carnivores. They're meant to eat a large meal and then they're meant to fast. They aren't meant to nibble all day long. Now, there are some species as a wildlife biologists, I'll just remind listeners that there are some species that do nibbles, So are ruminants, so cows, you know, sheep, goats, ruminant animals need to nibble all the time. Horses another species that needs to nibble all the time. So there are some animals that actually do need to be eating all the time. Those are typically vegan animals because they have to create metabolic energy from eating grass and other low calorie food, so they have to eat a ton of it to get any atp shirt and fatty assis out of it. They have to do a lot of eating. Dogs and cats are just the opposite. Dogs and cats were meant to catch and kill their food, eat a gorge, eat a massive meal, and then they fast. And even though Canus lupus wolves are now Canus lupus famililaris domesticated dogs, that evolutionary history of gorging and then fasting has not changed. What has changed, Melanie is human feeding habits. So in the last hundred years, humans have gone from eating three square meals a day to three square meals and then a snack in between, and then maybe you know, a snack mid afternoon and then a midnight snack, and then you know who, snack after dinner, and then little bit of dessert on average. When we interviewed Jason Fong, Dr Fung said, the average North American human is putting a fork in their mouth ten times a day. So, yeah, we say we eat three meals, but the fact is we're actually eating. Our pancreas is releasing insulin ten times or more a day, and that is exactly what's happening to dogs and cats. We get up in the morning and we're like, oh my gosh, if I'm eating, I need to be feeding my dog, so we give them a little snack or many, many, many dogs follow their ancestral history of not wanting to eat breakfast. Wolves historically hunt later in the afternoon, between four o'clock and midnight, and you know, they don't they're not big breakfast eaters, and many dogs around the world don't. They're not big into eating it by thirty in the morning. So because moms and dads don't know this about a dog's natural eating circadian rhythm, they start putting parmesan cheese on the morning breakfast. They put snausages on the food. You know, they start doctoring up they're kibble to try and get their dog to eat when their dog is letting them know, I I don't want to eat. So of course, if you're going to add a bunch of cheese on my food, yeah, all cramomeal in that I didn't even feel like eating. But the question is why are we making animals eat when they don't feel like it, when their body is not ready, when their stomach acid has not been produced adequately enough to appropriately digest and absorb those nutrients. So, first of all, just recognizing that your dog has different physiology is really important. But then recognizing that within that physiology, as much as we can mimic what their ancestral physiology would dictate, that we you are going to reduce metabolic stress by honoring...

...the way that their metabolic machinery was meant to process nutrients. Now or talking when it comes to intentionally using food as a healing or restorative modality or disease prevention. Now we're talking, and for dogs and cats, that means a large meal and then a period of fasting. So whether you decide, you know, if people say, now, listen, my dog is my dog wants to eat three times a day, then what I'm going to suggest to you, and what we suggest in the book, is to create an eating window of eight hours. So whatever you can set the eating window, you know, eight hours in the morning, you can come home for work and start it wherever you want that eight hours to be. Cram all your dogs calories in that in that eight hours, so you can you're totally fine feeding three meals within that eight hours, but then the remaining part of the day, the remaining sixteen hours in that day, your dog is not going to be eating. And it's during that time that your dog is going to be scavenging free radicals and that autopogy is going to kick in and they're going to do their cellular repair. They're going to create new mitochondria. They are going to rest and repair their tissues and their cell structure. They're going to clean house and their bloodstream. The lymphatics are going to kick in and do their job. Just like humans, our pets bodies can't digest food while simultaneously function with an immune response and a healing response. They have to do one or the other. So this eating window becomes even more important as our animals age because allowing them to have this period of downtime so their bodies physiology can in fact do the restorative processes necessary to keep their body from degenerating. It becomes a bigger goal the second half of our pets life. So we really try and spell that out in the book, because Melanie, people here this this is probably the biggest point where people say, oh, I don't really want to do that, and I totally get I get it, I get it. But if you so, I practice, you know, I practice time restricted feeding on myself, you know, time restricting eating. So for me, it doesn't. This is a lifestyle thing for me, So I didn't realize how difficult it would be for so many pet parents to switch modes into creating an an eating window. But what I will tell everyone listening, that's a little hesitant. By first of all, let's just say that you right now are feeding your dogs. If you think about the first bite of food your dog takes to the last, let's just say you're fourteen hours. Don't go from fourteen hours to eight. Go from fourteen to thirteen for a week, and then go from thirteen to twelve for that second or third week. You go slowly start tightening up the amount of time you're giving your dog to repair his or her body. Just start tightening that up. We want more time for repair and less time for snacks. So as you narrow down that eating window. What so many people have reached out and said to me is Dr Becker, that tip alone was life changing. Because my dog's ib D is better, My dog no longer pukes, my dog isn't as farty and gassy like. What people say to me is that this one tip about creating an eating window that allows the body to do the rest repair, restore, that this free, easy, simple common sense tip was profound in clearing up a lot of these pesky symptoms that have plagued their dogs for a lifetime. So if y'all got dogs with pesky symptoms, give it a try. It doesn't I get it. It doesn't feel good thinking about quote denying your animals calories, But if you think about it from the standpoint of allowing autopicy to occur, it makes it a little easier. And also if you do it with them, if you stick to your eating window when your dog has their eating window, it's like your buddy tag teaming, and then you don't have to look at those horrible puppy eyes when you're having dinner and your dog's like, come on, come on, So just do it together. It would be my best bio hacking tip. I love that, and I have some more questions about it. But to clarify, you mentioned the cats as well. Being that way, when I was taking care of my cat, I was super confused about if I should be doing any sort of fasting protocol for her or not. So, first of all, listeners, when we say fasting, you never restrict water. Obviously, your animals need filter filtered purified water out of a stainless steel or pyratex glass water dish, no plastic our. Pets have enough endocrine disorders as it is. You need to be washing that every day because the bio film in your water dish is impressive. So...

...wash that bowl every day. Never restrict water. For kitties, twelve hours is a nice eating window. Sometimes ten hours is great. Kitties have different physiology than dogs, so I am not a fan of leaving food down seven for cats. Eating the all you can eat buffet for cats is how cats end up obese. So if you are right now doing the non sustainable all you can eat buffet for your kitty. There again, you don't just up and cut their food off you. First you pick the bowl up, and you're going to calculate how many calories your kiddies need to maintain their ideal of body weight. So let's just say it's two ten calories a day. You figure out how many calories are in your food, that's your portion of food to get two ten calories. That's the volume of food you're gonna feed. You would divide that up maybe five or six or eight or ten times a day, and until your cat accustomed to, oh my gosh, the bulls not down all the time. Once your kitty understands, okay, the bulls not down all the time, then you can begin modulating the number of meals throughout the day. If you have a kitty that just really would say that their hobby in life is eating, then you may want to give your kitty more opportunities to have meals in their twelve hour eating window window or in their ten hour eating window. And that's true. My twenty year old kitty, kras No. He wants to eat every hour, and I feed him every hour. And I feed him, because he's really really lean, as much food as he wants to eat every hour. I feed him as much as he wants to eat because he's super thin. He gets to eat his heart out. But when I go to bed at night, I'm not going to get up in the middle of the night mess up my circadian rhythm to feed my ancient cat. I am going to put a big old plate. He's on a raw food diet. I put a big old plate of nutritionally complete raw rabbit food out and in the morning it's gone, and so he will have snacks. I have gotten up at midnight. All the food's gone by midnight. So Krasno went fast from midnight tell about six in the morning, and that that is his period of autopogy. Younger animals can have a shorter, a more narrow eating window. And the other thing I'll mention is if you have an animal that's sick, then this idea of an eating window is out the window. So if you have an animal that has to be on medication, if you have an animal that is metabolically unstable. We create eating windows for healthy animals or animals with metabolic disease let's say diabetes, because it helps improve those conditions. But if you have an animal, let's say with cancer cackexia, where they are wilting away from cancer, you are not going to restrict calories certainly, and you're and you're eating window is going to be maybe twelve hours not so in those situations this they're not hard and fast rules, and you will obviously work with your integrative or proactive veterinarian to design a customized protocol for what's best for your particular animal. It's illegal for me to give medical advice to the masses because each protocol needs to be customized to specifically what's happening in your animal's body. But generally speaking, yes, I create eating windows for healthy kitties, but that's at that tend to twelve hour mark versus you know, six to eight hour mark for a dog. Two things you touched on raw and the cancer aspect. Related to the cancer aspect and diet. I've had Dom di Agasino on the show, who's really well known in the a Keto sphere, and I know he's worked at Keto Pet Sanctuary. So a ketogenic diet is that something that can benefit dogs? Did they as well get an Emily's gene? And evolution when we became an agricultural society, how do the macros affect them? So dogs evolution stionary diet. Historically for the last thirty thousand years up until two hundred years ago, dogs get about half of their calories from fat from an evolutionary diet and half from protein. Now, most of your listeners readers probably are aware that fat has twice the calories of protein. But so it's not volume, it's not half of the bowls fat half as protein, but on a on a caloric basis, dogs historically half calories from healthy fats, half from protein. Now, in the last two hundred years, dogs don't dogs and cats don't have a carbohydrate requirement. That's really important for your listeners to know. And when you think about the average bag of ultra process dog or cat food being fifty starch or carb, that's a whole lot of sugar that an animal that doesn't have a carb requirement is ingesting. That's the root of why so many lifestyle related diseases are present today. We're feeding cheap, poor, contaminated carbs to animals that don't need carbs. That's the root of the problem with many of the quote disease is that are occurring in pets today. But because here's what's so cool...

...that fat and protein the caloric basis that is actually about a point five to one keytogenetic ratio. So dogs and cats naturally eat a mildly ketogenic diet in the wild. And even now, our wild dogs, dingles, jackal, jackals, coyotes, wolves, they still are you know, rabbits, moles, voles, mice for cats, as well as you know baby deer. All of those food sources from wild and domesticated dogs and cats consuming them, dogs end up eating a mildly ketogenic diet, and when we interview Don Dee Gustino for our Dog Cancer series, we were were pretty impressed with the fact that keyto Pet Sanctuary was able to reverse some of the most aggressive cancers in dogs, stage four cancers by instituting a higher ratio ketogenic diet. So I'm a big fan of eating a keto diet. But the biggest issue for dogs and cats both is it has to still meet minimum nutritional requirements. So what do I mean by that? You never guess at a homemade diet for dogs and cats. You always follow a recipe to make sure that you are meeting your dogs calcium, vitamin, mineral anti occident load, and guessing at recipes is a way to not accomplish that goal. So I am a big fan of a ketogenic diet, which is basically a raw meat diet that contains healthy fat, low gal smic ruffage or high fiber vegetables, and then appropriate essential fatty acid so d H A and e p A. And we have since we made the Dog Cancer Series, this six hour documentary on why there's so much cancer and dogs and then what to do about it. Don Dee Gstino was very instrumental. We flew to Florida and interviewed him, but he was also instrumental in helping Keto Pet set up their protocols, and that's basically the protocol that we recommended in the Dog Cancer series and our of that so many people around the world where have been able to contact us and let us know that they're animals since they learned about a species appropriate raw food diet or unadulterated diet, that there's been this overwhelming change in the vitality and the health and well being of the other animals in their homes. So just by getting the highly processed carbohydrates out of your dog and cat's diet, switching from an entirely dead, overprocessed diet to an entirely fresh, living food diet, the health transformations that are occurring in animals it's shockingly jaw dropping and it's also so fun to watch because when you and I decide to go from eating total cereal, that's the equivalent of dog food. So total cereal gives people a hundred percent of synthetic vitamins and minerals that they need a day and so does your dog food. It's a carbon based, synthetic vitamin and mineral supplemented little pellet. That's what we're trying to sustain vitality and well being with, is this little crunchy pellet with a multi vitamin on it. Common sense would say, probably your animals need more than that, and you are correct. Animals need a whole lot more than that. But what's amazing is when you're like, Okay, got it, I'm going to at a pace that resonates with me. I'm not going to throw my kibble out right now. What I am going to do is start incorporating more living, fresh foods. I'm going to use fresh food toppers. I'm gonna ditch my crappy dog treats that costs a lot of money, and I'm going to switch to fresh foods. I've decided I'm going to give carrots and parsnip and salarry. I'm going to give the bottom and the top of the green beans when I trim them off to my dog. I'm going to give the dented blueberries that all of the health and longevity researchers, but Dr Dr David Sinclair was the was the most profound is saying, never throw out dented blueberries. Those always go to the dogs because they have twice the polyphenales because they had to survive the debt. Right, So all of those ways that we can very economically share safe and biologically appropriate human foods from our fridge with our dogs, every single bite of fresh, living food that you put into your dog's mouth, or ble replacing ultra process bad, cheap, carbohydrate based, poorly made food. That is a step of health in the right direction, so you don't have to make it. Oh my gosh, I've been doing it wrong. I feel horrible. I've got to switch everything. You don't. Don't do that to yourself. But as you begin to incorporate one health strategy at a time, you see the results. Your dogs shed fifty less, the chronic ear infections go away, They become more muscular and lean, and they lose that tie, that kind of mid tire belly fat. Their eyes are brighter, their breath improves, they quit farting that mucus on the stool and that intermittent belchy FARTI gassy constipation, diarrhea. It all goes away, and it goes away because now they are having the raw materials, the nutrients, and this unadulted fashion, meaning they're...

...not heated. They're not whether we're providing food up the food chain in its whole absorbable form. Dogs and cats do such a magnificent job of taking those nutrients from the real foods that we're giving them and absorbing them and assimilating them into their bodies in such fine fashion that you can literally in three months time, you can watch your animals transform before your eyes. And that's the inspiring piece that I want to give your listeners that this doesn't have to be a race. You don't have to change your whole lifestyle. You can take little incremental steps that empower you to feel comfortable. You're like, Okay, I did that, who I can? I feel good about that. I'm going to do the next thing. As you improve the health and well being of the animals in your life, you become empowered to do a little more and a little more because you see their results in front of you. And that's probably the best part for me, is that our animals bodies show us what magnificent changes are doing. You can physically see it, and that's just so inspiring, especially as a health and wellness. Veterinarian like brings tears to my eyes. I see patients shedding, fat, miserable, panting, arthritic, painful, And then we switch their diets and they come back to me in six months, vibrant, lean, Their brains are working, they are less anxious. Owners say, you know what, We have a better relationship. They have less g I issues, allergies have improved, they said, who knew that me switching a diet for six months would result in this? If I would have vote it, I would have done it sooner. But people just don't know. So don't beat yourself up for what you don't know. Be thankful that now you know enough to make some changes. Hi, friends, I am obsessed with clean air, and I'm about to tell you how you can get fifty percent off my new favorite air purifier brand. Did you know that in two thousand nine, less than ten of the eight thousand chemicals registered for commercial use had undergone basic testing for safety. This is very troublesome. These chemicals, as well as toxins like carbon monoxide, lead, nitrogen dioxide, and ozone, regularly appear in our air and environment, along with things like dust, mold, pollen and pet dander, smoke, viruses, and bacteria, as well as toxic compounds known as volatile organic compounds v o C s. All of these compounds can trigger allergies and contribute to our overall toxic burden. Studies have even shown that air plutants can increase respiratory issues, heart disease, and even the risk of cancer. You are literally living in your air. You wanted to be clean. Historically, I have tried many brands and I personally love Alan and air Doctor and I just recently found air Doctor and I love it for their quality and affordability. The air Doctor units utilize a three stage filtration process that's a prefilter, a carbon v o C filter, and an ultra hepafilter, which can capture airborne particles one hundred times smaller than typical HEPA filters. They have tests showing that the air Doctor three thousand, for example, that I have removed up to viruses and bacteria from the air, including of live covid in the air. The auto setting on my unit is incredible. It automatically adjust the fan speed according to the contaminants in the air. And yes it knows because when I start cooking, it kicks into high speed. If you have kids, the buttons can be locked. The filters are super easy to purchase and replace. Something I love about air Doctor. No WiFi or Bluetooth. Some people want Wi Fi and Bluetooth. I do not. I'm always trying to minimize that. This has got none of that, and they are much much chuper than other high quality air purifiers out there. For air Doctor, I was just using Alan, but honestly, air Doctor rivals that at a much better price. Air Doctor has one of the best offers for any product that I love. You can get up to fifty percent off with my link. Yes, up to fifty percent off. Just go to Melanie Avalon dot com slash air Doctor. The discount will be auto applied at that link. That's Melanie Avalon dot com slash air Doctor for up to fifty percent off automatically applied. Friends. If you don't have air purifiers in your life, get them in your life now. You want to clean the air that you were living in. And I cannot recommend enough checking out air Doctor and I'll put all this information in the show notes. All right, now back to the show. That's another reason like I mentioned the beginning. I'm so excited about your book because not only is it revolutionizing the health of our pets, but it's like a gateway drug for for humans who might not have otherwise than exposed this information. And you provide the information literally to the extent of the quote you know human books I've read on the subject, but by all the people we've talked about, So it's in...

...fredible. Do you know Mark Shatzker. Have you met him or interviewed him? I haven't throughout the dree To effect in the end of Craving, and I'm interviewing him next week. And it's fascinating because he talks about the role of vitamins fortified foods and how vitamins added to the food supply actually he thinks is playing a causual role in obesity. It's it's a really, really fascinating concept, and it's also interesting when it comes to pet food. I think a lot of people feel like they can't feed quote human food to their pets, like for some reason it won't sustain them. Yep. Well, and not just that, Melanie. I think a lot of people, partly because veterinarians in the forties fifties and sixties said things like, you know, you could give your pet g I upset if you were to share something from your fridge, So like, just don't do it. But you know, the culprit, the bad guys that actually made the myth and then perpetuated that myth is the pet food industry, the trup process. Pet food industry started telling pet lovers in the seventies, never feed your dog anything but our food. In fact, you could harm your animal by feeding any type of fresh food. Only feed our food and it's safe and your dog will thrive. And never switch your dog food. It could be risk or dangerous, and people believed it. And when you think about it looking back, you're like, no, come on, But because the pet food industry created it. Now we have to remember the second half of the story is if you can create fear and you can get a dogger cat addicted to that food, you have a client for life and they will spend thousands on that brand and that flavor. They will never switch the food. The problem is you talk to microbiome experts like Dr Tim Spector and he said to me, Karen, I can't think of anything worse than feeding one flavor of kibble month after month, year after year. He said, if you want to talk about not crashing the microbiome, but creating every modern disease possible by feeding only one food with a synthetic multi viteam, and he goes, it is the worst advice ever given. He said, who would create that advice? I said the pet food industry And he said, ah ha, He said that makes total sense. He said, why are people why do people believe it? I said, I don't know. I don't know, but it is interesting the number of people that are like, what do you mean you can feed quote human food. Now, you're not going to feed derritos and Cheetos and pizza to your dog or cat. No, you're not feeding crappy food. You're feeding fresh, whole, living foods and small bite sized pieces. You're feeding the parts of the food that you would feed to your two legged kids. So, for instance, I can't tell you the number of times that I have read almonds are toxic to dogs. That is not true. Almonds are fine. Raw and salted almonds are fine. The problem is raw and salted almonds. If a dog inhales that, they could choke on it. So if you know that your dog is a gulper, like you have a labrador and they're gonna inhale an almond. You might want to grind it up, or you might want to break it into so common sense rules in Some people say apple seeds are toxic for animals, Well, who the heck is feeding an apple core to their dog? Like you wouldn't do that to your three year old kid. You don't feed your kids apple cores. You feed them the apple. So you feed the exact same parts of the fruits and vegetables to your dogs that you feed to your kids. You cut them up into bite sized pieces, just like you do for your kids. And then we follow European Pet Food federations advice that there are three toxic human foods that you should never feed to dogs. Number one chocolate, Number two raisins and grapes, and number three onions. Don't feed onions, grapes, raisins, or chocolate to your dog. Everything else melanie. According to FETTIA, the European Pet food union that dictates what is toxic and whatnot taxic there have been no taxological studies on any other human food deeming it quote toxic. Now there are foods that are not good for dogs. For instance, macadamia nuts are really high in fat and if you give your dog mac I do have macadamia nuts on my non no list. They have not identified at taxin in macadaemia nuts, but they're really high in fat and they might cause pancrea titus, so we don't recommend macadamia nights. But other than that, when you open your fridge, you want to think about low gali semic fresh fruits and veggies that you can share with your dogs, and there's no reason not to. So literally, your fridge becomes the best treat box in the world because you can share everything that you're buying. Those fresh fruits and veggies you're buying for your entire human family, you can totally share them with your dogs, minus those you know. And also, when I say onions, I'm just thinking at the top of my head as I look at my herb garden chives, So you're not going to feed members of the onion family. So no shallots, no chids. But other than that, that's a pretty small non no list. When you think of the vast yes list, all of a sudden, your fridge...

...becomes the best source of polyphenol, antioxidant rich fresh fruits and veggies that you could use as training treats, sit stay down treats if you're gonna have if you're going to grab a snack, if your dog is conditioned to have a snack at ex period in the day, go to your fridge and use fresh foods as treats, not ultra processed, empty calorie, very starchy, highly processed treats that you might be buying from a big box store. Hi, friends, so what I'm about to say may include some disturbing content, So if young ones are listening, you may want to skip ahead. On Valentine's Day two, I experienced sexual battery by a man at a massage parlor. I felt so helpless and so scared while it was happening, and afterwards, I was really really scared to tell anybody. I'm so glad that my friends encouraged me to tell the police, and I'm so glad that the police believed me and the the man is now in jail. And ever since sharing my story, you guys have been so supportive. So many people have applauded me for telling the police, saying that something like that had happened to them too, and they never told anybody. I started looking into the statistics and they are pretty shocking. So sexual assaults are most likely the most prevalent crime in the US, and they are also the most underreported. Every sixty eight seconds, an American is sexually assaulted, so I was one of those. Every nine minutes that victim is a child. Meanwhile, only twenty five out of every one thousand perpetrators will end up in prison, and only five percent of sexual assault reports filed have ever been proven false. Two percent of all juvenile sexual assault victims are female. Of adult rape victims are female, And in two thousand nineteen, over six hundred and fifty two thousand, six hundred and seventy six women were raped and nearly one million women were victims of sexual assault. I believe this is a huge, huge problem happening in our society. It's one of the crimes where there's not usually evidence. It's not like a physical object was stolen or somebody outwardly injured or killed. It's basically your word against the perpetrator. And so it can be really really scary to tell somebody and stand up for yourself. But I want to encourage you that we can change this. We can speak up. So if something happens to you, I encourage you, please please tell somebody. I promise you you're not crazy. The thing that really convinced me to go to the police was it wasn't so much about me, but about stopping this man from doing this to somebody else. If you feel like someone crossed the boundary, they probably did. People don't usually question things that are appropriate and normal. And as parents, I encourage you to have these conversations with your children in whatever time and way you feel comfortable. I think we can make change here. It's just about spreading awareness and taking a stand and speaking out. So thank you everybody so much for the support. I love you all. You are amazing and let's change this. So, like I always say, you got this. Okay, back to the show. Well, it's funny. So when I would take care of my cat, and I spent so much time trying to figure out what to feed her. So I was trying different things, but at one point I was feeding her. It was something that I bought. It was some raw like freeze dried food and it's but the ingredients were so great in it that one night, I was like, this actually kind of looks really healthy. So I tasted it, and I was like, I was like sitting there eating my cats cat food. It wasn't good. It isn't good. It was really good, but it was things like hearts and livery, and I was like, this is a probably a good thing for me. That's so awesome. That's so awesome. Well, and it's interesting because I I also feed all human grade food to my animals because I know what pet foods made of. And once you once you see you get into some pet food companies and start looking around, you're like, oh my god, oh my god, how can I like this is just disgusting, right, like you sweep the slaughterhouse floor and then it goes into pet food. So I also only feed human grade pet food to my animals. But I am also vegetarians, so I do not try my dog and my dogs and cats of course carnivores, so I do not try my pets food. But I do think it's awesome that you did. What everyone tells me is it needs salt. They're like, listen, I my dog, my human grade dog, but all the time I just need salt. Interesting, interesting, yeah, well I will sit through listeners and you mentioned this earlier, but you do provide resources if people do want to come, you know, completely make their own food. But you also have just the most elaborate and extensive and approachable system for people to actually look at, you know, the conventional food that they might be feeding and how to you know, how to understand it and the difference between you know, dehydratedferens air dried and semi moist and the salt divide. And so listeners get the book because it will be the tool you need to get your pet on the diet that they should be on that also works you know, within your your lifestyle to to the extent that you can. Well, this has been absolutely amazing. You're just the most incredib...

...well person. Thank you so much for all that you're doing. I really I reached out to you because I really want to develop a pet food line as well. Now, like especially having read all of your all of the work and everything I learned from it. So what links would you like to put out there? How can listeners best follow your work? Are you going to write any more books? What's all that stuff? So that you can find more information? About the Forever Dog book at Forever Dog dot com. Pretty easy to remember that. And my my personal website is Dr Karen Becker dot com. So if you want to learn more about me and what what my passions are and what I do and why I do it, that's my website. And Harper Collins, our publisher, has approached us for book number two. I am interested, of course. Part of my passion, I really want to change the world before I die. I'm fifty one and I have sometimes trouble balancing all the things I want to do with I do feel like the clock is taking in the sense that I want to change veterinary school curriculum. I want to support my colleagues, my veterinary colleagues. I don't know if you know this. Veterinarians have the highest rate of suicide. It's kind of a dark topic, but veteran veterinarians kill themselves more than any other professional because of stress. Yet it's crazy, it's crazy, and it's heartbreaking for me. So I have these I had these un unaddressed passions like I want to help my colleagues, and I I just my own personal take on that is that if my colleagues knew, you know, they're trying. They love animals, they're trying desperately to help their clients and their patients. We weren't provided all the tools we need in veterinary school to effectively deal with chronic disease, you know, we weren't taught how to be proactive. And the pain of having to euthanize animals from something that could have been prevented weighs on you. And we are the only profession that intentionally kills our beloved animals. And I mean, there's all of these issues that I want to help my colleagues get out of the emotional mental hole that my professions in and I really want to do that. So all of these things I want to do. It's hard. Forever Dog was easy for me to write because I wrote it during COVID and I was stuck. I was stuck at home, couldn't go anywhere. I'm like, you know what I'm gonna do. I this is on my bucket list. I've always wanted to write a help and wellmost book about dogs. I'm going to do it, and I did so. Now that the world's opening up, I do want to write a second book, but there's so many other things I want to do. So if I can cram in book too, Melanie, I'm gonna do it. Oh my goodness, I hear you. Well, I well, that's just amazing. And the last question that I ask every single guest on this show, and it's just because I realized more and more each day how important mindset is. So what is something that you're grateful for. I'm grateful that all of it, that myself and everyone in the world, that we have the opportunity to learn, unlearn, and relearn. I have spent my life, you know, even look when it comes to veterinary medicine things I was taught in bed school twenty five years ago. I know the research has shown now they're just playing wrong. And when I learned it twenty five years ago, I took it as science and you don't question science, and of course this is what we're gonna do. And then you know, the medical profession realized maybe maybe we shouldn't be doing it this way, maybe we need to pivot. I am grateful that humans have the ability to unlearn and relearn a different, better, more healthful path. And I do believe that because these lives that are in our homes because our pets can't advocate for themselves. They literally are dogs and cats, everything that we care for, whether it's whether you have birds or whatever animals you are tending to, they are captive to our decisions. They are held hostage in some situations to our lack of knowledge or our ability to really wholly advocate for them. So I just want to empower inspire your listeners to recognize that because we do have a chance to shift our mindset, to become to take on a different view, to learn something that we haven't, to expand our mindset to realize. Okay, I was taught that human food was bad for animals. Some human foods are bad, but fresh, unrefined, whole living foods are good for dogs, they're good for cats, they're good for my two legged kids, they're good for me. And that's something I had to unlearn and relearn. We can do that, and by us making better choices, we actually become better advocates for the animals in our lives that literally have no voice. That's one of the most incredible answers I've had to that question. Well, thank you so so much for everything that you're doing. I mean, you really are literally truly changing the world. And like I said in the beginning to listeners, I can't emphasize enough how mind blowing this book is. And I'm just so grateful that not only are you changing the world of our pets, but humans as well with everything that you're doing. So thank you. I am going to eagerly follow all of your...

...future work. Hopefully we can talk again in the future, and just thank you so much for all you're doing. And thank you, Melanie for fake for taking an hour and I have to focus on the rest of the animal kingdom. I love that you have a heart towards all life, including the four legged, wing kit, scaled and feathered creatures. I appreciate you taking time for animals of course. Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your day and I will talk to you later. Thanks, bye bye. Thank you so much for listening to the Melanie Avalon bio Hacking Podcast. For more information, you can check out my book What When Wine, Lose Weight and Feel Great with Paleo style meals, Intermittent fasting and Wine, as well as my blog Melanie Avalon dot com. Feel free to contact me at podcast at Melanie Avalon dot com and always remember you got this.

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